Talk session by Kako Masaki and Shigenobu Fujita Book Oka "Bookstore Employee Night in Fukuoka Enlarged Edition"

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BOOKUOKA's bookstore clerk Night in Fukuoka "Love in font (= font)" (November 3), essay "Character's Table" (book magazine company) became a hot topic The content of the talk session with Mr. Shigenobu Fujita, a Type Designers Mr. Satoshi and Fontworks, is in the column.

Based on the Chikushi typeface, we have wonderful stories about the typeface. Please take a look.

Masaki Kako

The writer, the president of "Letter's Table", the central examination committee for the lettering skill test. Fascinated by typefaces and typesetting fonts from an early age, he publishes various paper essays on the theme of "typefaces rich in taste." Authors include "Letter's Dining Table" (book magazine publisher), "Introduction to typefaces for people who read books" (Seikaisha new book), "Letters and paradise Seikosha modern style literature" (book magazine publisher). Such. Born in Fukuoka Prefecture.

Shigenobu Fujita

I'm from Fukuoka Chikushino. After graduating from Chikuyo Gakuen Design Department, he joined Shaken Co., Ltd. Twenty years of experience designing letters from morning till night. In 1998, transferred to Fontworks and continued to develop Chikushi typeface one after another. The 60-year-old has aspiration to change the history of Mincho.

Masaki

Recently, I was taught by Professor Hiroyuki Sasahara, who is famous for kanji research, but I thought it was easy to understand, so I will introduce it.

If you ask everyone at this venue to write the kanji for "bird", I think everyone can write it.

Imagine it in your head.

However, what is floating in everyone's mind is not the typeface, but the typeface.



When I heard that story, I found the part where the difference in the image of the letters was made, such as "a feather with bright colors", "a little long neck", "the beak is beautiful", and so on. I thought that the one that makes me feel is the
, but in this way of thinking, Mr. Fujita who is here is a designer who makes crazy birds.



Today, while watching some of the book bindings that I have selected, I will listen to the story of the typeface created by Mr. Fujita.

Chikushi typeface, including examples

"Naratage", "Courage to be disliked", "Courage to be happy", and Tsukushi Mincho

Fujita

I came to Fontworks in 1998 and wanted to make a Mincho body anyway.

" Tsukushi Mincho" is a typeface that was released in 2004 after spending about 5 years working between routines.



Masaki

The first time I thought Tsukushi Mincho was an "interesting typeface" was in 2005 when I published "Naratage."

The "ji" that is rising sharply is impressive. If I were using a different typeface, I think it would have been a more ordinary binding.



In 2013, "Courage to be disliked" was published, and last year in 2016, the sequel to "Courage to be happy" was published.

"Kirimoto", "Amber Dream", "Voice of Sin" and "Tsukushi Antique Mincho"

Masaki

I think that binding with only letters is, so to speak, a typeface, but I think the binding design of the "Kiri-Kiri" published in 2016 would not have been possible without it. ..

The "Tsukushi Antique Mincho" used in this book has become very popular recently. It is also used in "Voice of Sin" published in the same year and "Amber Dream" published this year.

Masaki

This is true even if we look back over the past five years, and more specifically, the number of fontworks fonts has increased over the past year.

It is said that it took about 10 years for the typesetting typefaces featured in "Letter's Table" published in 2013 to spread. It takes 10 years for one typeface to propagate and readers to get used to it.

In the era of DTP, the typefaces that have become familiar in our lives have been born one year after another.

"June night and daytime dawn" "Similar technique" "Reciprocating letter first love and affair" and "Tsukushi A Old Mincho"

Masaki

In response to the question "Why are so many Tsukushi typefaces used?", I thought about the reason, but the kanji created by Mr. Fujita have a
inflection. ..

There is also intonation in hiragana, but I feel that the inflection in the design of the kanji creates a unique atmosphere and a sense of unity.

I think that "June Night and Daytime Awai ni" also has a design that makes use of the characteristics of these characters.



Fujita

The trigger was "Mincho Ishii".

When I was younger, I thought "Honran Mincho" or a more modern, modern Mincho was beautiful.

For example, the dry feeling of Tokyo. It was nice to say "Honran Mincho", where you can just say hello to the person next to you in your apartment.

I didn't really like "Ishii Mincho" because I could see the feeling and it was like "country" with many customs and customs.



But when it reaches 30, it changes. You will be drawn to such a
thing.

When I was a newcomer, I was one of the staff at Shaken from morning till night, and I made the Mincho body thought by seniors.

Over the years, the feeling that “I would like to do this more” was born, and when I shaped my ideal image, it became the form of “Tsukushi Old Mincho”.



From the beginning, there is no concept stock, but I'm afraid of "Mincho Ishii," and the origin of that, "Mincho Tsukiji No. 5," is at the root of my work.

That's why I often looked at "Tsukiji No. 5 Mincho" and "Ishii Mincho" and made "tracing" in my own way into "Tsukushi Old Mincho". But not the same. It's a little different.

For example, if 10 people write letters, everyone will write different letters.Mincho body will be 10 people if 10 people make it, and 10 companies will make 10 Mincho bodies. ..

Simply put, "Tsukiji No. 5 Mincho" is
, and Ishii Mincho is
.

Masaki

It is often said that "letters represent the times."

As with books and Advertisement, I think that there is a creator who finds one typeface to be “interesting”, and it spreads throughout the world because that is somewhere
.

Is it the feeling of the times or the needs? The ability to capture such things is necessary for a Type Designers to work.



Fujita

If you look at "The Night of June and the Daytime", you can see that the "moon" has a "flank" part, right?

All of the "Tsukushi typefaces" are made to bounce after the curve has entered once, like Maru Gothic, just before the second stroke. So soft.

There are a lot of triangular scales in the Mincho style, but it's just "tight".

How do you make a lot of soft places? With that alone, "Tsukushi" is completely different from the Mincho type until now.

It's different, so you're being pressed by a stamp called

Masaki

I brought a little interesting binding.

It's a book called "Similar Technology." Half of "parable technology", "ru technology" is a letter that is a mirror.

The same "Tsukushi Old Mincho" used in "June night and daytime awakening" that you just saw is used, but it also has a very soft design.

My favorite typeface in Chikushi may be "Tsukushi Old Mincho". When I read this typeface, I get the image of a "luxury hotel."

If you go to a high-class hotel, especially a classic hotel with a history, there are fluffy carpet-like corridors.

I feel like I'm walking in a place where my feet are fluffy.

It's not just old, it's like renovating an old Western-style house, and girls like it.

Masaki

In the "Round Trip Letter: Hatsukoi to Affair", the kanji is Gothic and is combined with Mincho, but only the "to" part of "Hatsukoi to Affair" is written in "Tsukushi Old Mincho". Isn't it?

The impression that this fluffy "to" will change so much will change so much.

"Scrap and Build" and "Tsukushi B Old Mincho"

Fujita

This is "Tsukushi B Old Mincho" because the Kana of Tsukushi Old Mincho is type B.



Masaki

This is a book that has become very famous because it won the Akutagawa Prize.

In this way, when I look at it as a title, I feel like "I can only think of this typeface!", and I'm really into the work, but it's quite unique when it's arranged in the Japanese syllabary. When I saw Fonts for the first time, I thought it was a bit "yeah" (laughs).

With tremendous power. But I wasn't the only one who thought that, and when I made this, everyone was quite surprised, right?



Fujita

Yes. Fortunately, when you first release "Tsukushi Mincho", a well-known graphic designer named Tsutomu Toda will take a look.

I often meet with such dressmakers to hear their opinions and show them with samples.

I want you to say, "What is this! When will it come out?" "Next, what kind of things can I bring to my surprise?" "I'm absolutely funny when I have something like this," he said.

If they are compatible, we are confident that "this can be commercialized."

It seems that the "Chikushi typeface" has been expanded steadily over the last 10 years or so.

"What I want you to remember when a girl lives" and "Tsukushi A MaruGothic"

Fujita

When I showed Tatsuya Ariyama, the creator of the magazine "ku:nel", a sample of "Old Mincho".

It's disappointing that the materials will be placed beside me without looking at the sample.

And a word. "I want Maru Gothic," he said. "I'm using Ishiimaru Gothic now, but I'm having trouble because DTP fonts don't have Maru Gothic."



"How long can you make a typeface?"

"The shortest is one year"

“I'll be waiting for you next year,” says Ariyama.



So when I went back to the era of metal type, I went back to Maru Gothic and found that the size of the letter was the same as Ishii Maru Gothic.

This means that Ishiimaru Gothic
from metal type. Then I decided to do more
and create a modern version in this atmosphere.

For the time being, a few months later, I took a sample to Mr. Ariyama, and he took it seriously,

"After that, slowly and carefully, please make a good product."



On my way home, I showed a sample to Mr. Sobue and other famous people, and they praised me "I'm waiting, everyone!". That's why I issued "Tsukushi A MaruGothic" and "Tsukushi B MaruGothic".

This was the most exciting thing in the world so I was surprised at it.

Fujita

This feeling is soft. I needed this.

This was the standard until the middle of the Showa era.

However, from the latter half of the Showa era, it was mainstream until 2000, that it was contained in a so-called square called "Nahl" (a round Gothic type released by Shoshaken in 1973).

It was around the time when some designers were beginning to ask, "What's wrong with the Maru Gothic you used to use?"



Masaki

"Ishii Maru Gothic", which Mr. Ariyama said, is a typesetting typeface, but I also love it, and it appears in the "Letter's Dining Table" with the title "Konpeito Character".

When I talk to designers, I often ask, "What did you like about typesetting typefaces?"

There are quite a lot of people who say "I like Ishiimaru Gothic". At that time, "Tsukushimaru Gothic" came out, so I said "Oh, it came out!"

"Hedgehog's Wish" and "Tsukushi Old Gothic"

Fujita

This Gothic style is "Tsukushi Old Gothic".

The dream I wanted when I was 30 was completed when I made "Tsukushi Old Mincho" and received the Tokyo TDC Award.

I had a dream come true, and I had the opportunity to make a little face with Mr. Sobue at the point where I was wondering what to do from now on.



Just around this time, I had something
in my head. Looking at a certain book, he said, "Maybe it's metal type, isn't it?" "Yes, let's make it like this."

I made a sample and took it to Mr. Sobue and said, "I thought about this."

Then Mr. Sobue says that he is in trouble. "No, I don't know if it's good or bad," he said.



Sobue-san told me to show me again in 3 months. When I showed it three months later, I praised it. "No, this is absolutely good." “When will this be out?

From here, it is a typeface that should be commemorated to me, which was the origin of the development of typefaces such as "Tsukushi Antique" and "Tsukushi Vintage".

Without this, I don't know what happened to Chikushi after that. From here, in the direction of squeezing
and stretching

Masaki

It's was so. Certainly, I feel that
is very concentrated.

Fujita

I had thought that “the future of Chikushi will determine my destiny”, but it was also an adventure.

In the era when there are many bindings whose titles are designed in Patzpatz Gothic style in a square, there is a possibility that it will be "Is it only so small?" I write Gothic tomorrow morning and make it. For those who use it, "Uh" (laughs) "I'm doing something like the morning."

It's good when you dare to use that kind of thing, but when you want to get punch and punch like normal Gothic, it's kinda kind. There's something like "you can put women where you want men". Tsukushi Gothic.

Masaki

"Make kanji like hiragana" and "make gothic tomorrow". Why is Mr. Fujita said to be a heretic? The reason is that he is not a person who makes unusual characters, but he is making it with a new method.

Because Mr. Fujita made it, there is a feeling that I finally got to convey it, there are things that I can not convey without fonts. If you can feel it, going to a bookstore is more interesting, and reading books can be a lot of fun.

BOOKUOKA's bookstore clerk Night in Fukuoka "Love in font (= font)" (November 3), essay "Character's Table" (book magazine company) became a hot topic The content of the talk session with Mr. Shigenobu Fujita, a Type Designers Mr. Satoshi and Fontworks, is in the column.

Based on the Chikushi typeface, we have wonderful stories about the typeface. Please take a look.

K. Masaki

Masaki Kako

The writer, the president of "Letter's Table", the central examination committee for the lettering skill test. Fascinated by typefaces and typesetting fonts from an early age, he publishes various paper essays on the theme of "typefaces rich in taste." Authors include "Letter's Dining Table" (book magazine publisher), "Introduction to typefaces for people who read books" (Seikaisha new book), "Letters and paradise Seikosha modern style literature" (book magazine publisher). Such. Born in Fukuoka Prefecture.

Shigenobu Fujita

I'm from Fukuoka Chikushino. After graduating from Chikuyo Gakuen Design Department, he joined Shaken Co., Ltd. Twenty years of experience designing letters from morning till night. In 1998, transferred to Fontworks and continued to develop Chikushi typeface one after another. The 60-year-old has aspiration to change the history of Mincho.

Fontworks Type Designers Shigenobu Fujita

Masaki

Recently, I was taught by Professor Hiroyuki Sasahara, who is famous for kanji research, but I thought it was easy to understand, so I will introduce it.

If you ask everyone at this venue to write the kanji for "bird", I think everyone can write it.

Imagine it in your head.

However, what is floating in everyone's mind is not the typeface, but the typeface.

 

When I heard that story, I found the part where the difference in the image of the letters was made, such as "a feather with bright colors", "a little long neck", "the beak is beautiful", and so on. I thought that the one that makes me feel is the

 

Today, while watching some of the book bindings that I have selected, I will listen to the story of the typeface created by Mr. Fujita.

What kind of bird is Chikushi typeface when you are able to identify Chikushi typeface? I hope that this image will spring up.


Chikushi typeface and case studies "Naratage", "Courage to be disliked", "Courage to be happy", and Tsukushi Mincho

Fujita

I came to Fontworks in 1998 and wanted to make a Mincho body anyway.

The typeface that I made in 2004 and released in 2004 is "Tsukushi Mincho".

 

Masaki

The first time I thought Tsukushi Mincho was an "interesting typeface" was in 2005 when I published "Naratage."

The "ji" that is rising sharply is impressive. If I were using a different typeface, I think it would have been a more ordinary binding.

 

In 2013, "Courage to be disliked" was published, and last year in 2016, the sequel to "Courage to be happy" was published.

『〆切本』『琥珀の夢』『罪の声』と「筑紫アンティーク明朝」

Masaki

I think that binding with only letters is, so to speak, a typeface, but I think the binding design of the "Kiri-Kiri" published in 2016 would not have been possible without it. ..

The "Tsukushi Antique Mincho" used in this book has become very popular recently. It is also used in "Voice of Sin" published in the same year and "Amber Dream" published this year.

Masaki

This is true even if we look back over the past five years, and more specifically, the number of fontworks fonts has increased over the past year.

It is said that it took about 10 years for the typesetting typefaces featured in "Letter's Table" published in 2013 to spread. It takes 10 years for one typeface to propagate and readers to get used to it.

In the era of DTP, the typefaces that have become familiar in our lives have been born one year after another.

"June night and daytime dawn" "Similar technique" "Reciprocating letter first love and affair" and "Tsukushi A Old Mincho "

Masaki

In response to the question "Why are so many Tsukushi typefaces used?", I thought about the reason, but the kanji created by Mr. Fujita have a

There is also intonation in hiragana, but I feel that the inflection in the design of the kanji creates a unique atmosphere and a sense of unity.

I think that "June Night and Daytime Awai ni" also has a design that makes use of the characteristics of these characters.

 

Fujita

The trigger was "Mincho Ishii".

When I was younger, I thought "Honran Mincho" or a more modern, modern Mincho was beautiful.

For example, the dry feeling of Tokyo. It was nice to say "Honran Mincho", where you can just say hello to the person next to you in your apartment.

I didn't really like "Ishii Mincho" because I could see the feeling and it was like "country" with many customs and customs.

 

But when it reaches 30, it changes. You will be drawn to such a

I became more and more enthusiastic about "Mincho Ishii" with "depth" and wanted to "create a Mincho body that can express

 

When I was a newcomer, I was one of the staff at Shaken from morning till night, and I made the Mincho body thought by seniors.

Over the years, the feeling that “I would like to do this more” was born, and when I shaped my ideal image, it became the form of “Tsukushi Old Mincho”.

 

From the beginning, there is no concept stock, but I'm afraid of "Mincho Ishii," and the origin of that, "Mincho Tsukiji No. 5," is at the root of my work.

That's why I often looked at "Tsukiji No. 5 Mincho" and "Ishii Mincho" and made "tracing" in my own way into "Tsukushi Old Mincho". But not the same. It's a little different.

For example, if 10 people write letters, everyone will write different letters.Mincho body will be 10 people if 10 people make it, and 10 companies will make 10 Mincho bodies. ..

Simply put, "Tsukiji No. 5 Mincho" is

And when I make it, it will be

Masaki

It is often said that "letters represent the times."

As with books and Advertisement, I think that there is a creator who finds one typeface to be “interesting”, and it spreads throughout the world because that is somewhere

Is it the feeling of the times or the needs? The ability to capture such things is necessary for a Type Designers to work.

 

Fujita

If you look at "The Night of June and the Daytime", you can see that the "moon" has a "flank" part, right?

All of the "Tsukushi typefaces" are made to bounce after the curve has entered once, like Maru Gothic, just before the second stroke. So soft.

There are a lot of triangular scales in the Mincho style, but it's just "tight".

How do you make a lot of soft places? With that alone, "Tsukushi" is completely different from the Mincho type until now.

It's different, so you're being pressed by a stamp called

Masaki

I brought a little interesting binding.

It's a book called "Similar Technology." Half of "parable technology", "ru technology" is a letter that is a mirror.

The same "Tsukushi Old Mincho" used in the "June night and daytime awakening" that you just saw is used, but it also has a very soft design.

My favorite type of Chikushi may be "Tsukushi Old Mincho". When I read this typeface, I get the image of a "luxury hotel."

If you go to a high-class hotel, especially a classic hotel with a history, there are fluffy carpet-like corridors.

I feel like I'm walking in a place where my feet are fluffy.

It's not just old, it's like renovating an old Western-style house, and girls like it.

Masaki

In the "Round Trip Letter: Hatsukoi to Affair", the kanji is Gothic and is combined with Mincho, but only the "to" part of "Hatsukoi to Affair" is written in "Tsukushi Old Mincho". Isn't it?

The impression that this fluffy "to" will change so much will change so much.

"Scrap and Build" and "Tsukushi B Old Mincho "

Fujita

This is "Tsukushi B Old Mincho" because the Kana of Tsukushi Old Mincho is type B.

 

Masaki

This is a book that has become very famous because it won the Akutagawa Prize.

In this way, when I look at it as a title, I feel like "I can only think of this typeface!", and I'm really into the work, but it's quite unique when it's arranged in the Japanese syllabary. When I first saw a Fonts I thought it was a bit "yeah" (laughs).

With tremendous power. But I wasn't the only one who thought that, and when I made this, everyone was quite surprised, right?

 

Fujita

Yes. Fortunately, when you first release "Tsukushi Mincho", a well-known graphic designer called Tsutomu Toda will take a look.

I often meet with such dressmakers to hear their opinions and show them with samples.

I want you to say, "What is this! When will it come out?" "Next, what kind of things can I bring to my surprise?" "I'm absolutely funny when I have something like this," he said.

If they are compatible, we are confident that "this can be commercialized."

It seems that the "Chikushi typeface" has been expanded steadily over the last 10 years or so.

『女の子が生きていくときに、覚えていてほしいこと』と「筑紫A丸ゴシック」

Fujita

When I showed Tatsuya Ariyama, the creator of the magazine "ku:nel", a sample of "Old Mincho".

It's disappointing that the materials will be placed beside me without looking at the sample.

And a word. "I want Maru Gothic," he said. "I'm using Ishiimaru Gothic now, but I'm having trouble because DTP fonts don't have Maru Gothic."

 

"How long can you make a typeface?"

"The shortest is one year"

“I'll be waiting for you next year,” says Ariyama.

 

So when I went back to the era of metal type, I went back to Maru Gothic and found that the size of the letter was the same as Ishii Maru Gothic.

This means that Ishiimaru Gothic

For the time being, a few months later, I took a sample to Mr. Ariyama, and he took it seriously,

"After that, slowly and carefully, please make a good product."

 

On my way home, I showed a sample to Mr. Sobue and other famous people, and they praised me "I'm waiting, everyone!". That's why I issued "Tsukushi A MaruGothic" and "Tsukushi B MaruGothic".

This was the most exciting thing in the world so I was surprised at it.

Therefore, it's a typeface made in response to the requests of customers, rather than inventing it myself.

Fujita

This feeling is soft. I needed this.

This was the standard until the middle of the Showa era.

However, from the latter half of the Showa era, it was mainstream until 2000, that it was contained in a so-called square called "Nahl" (a round Gothic type released by Shoshaken in 1973).

It was around the time when some designers were beginning to ask, "What's wrong with the Maru Gothic you used to use?"

 

Masaki

"Ishii Maru Gothic", which Mr. Ariyama said, is a typesetting typeface, but I also love it, and it appears in the "Letter's Dining Table" with the title "Konpeito Character".

When I talk to designers, I often ask, "What did you like about typesetting typefaces?"

There are quite a lot of people who say "I like Ishiimaru Gothic". At that time, "Tsukushimaru Gothic" came out, so I said "Oh, it came out!"

"Hedgehog's Wish" and "Tsukushi Old Gothic "

Fujita

This Gothic style is "Tsukushi Old Gothic".

The dream I wanted when I was 30 was completed when I made "Tsukushi Old Mincho" and received the Tokyo TDC Award.

I had a dream come true, and I had the opportunity to make a little face with Mr. Sobue at the point where I was wondering what to do from now on.

 

Just around this time, I had something

I made a sample and took it to Mr. Sobue and said, "I thought about this."

Then Mr. Sobue says that he is in trouble. "No, I don't know if it's good or bad," he said.

 

Sobue-san told me to show me again in 3 months. When I showed it three months later, I praised it. "No, this is absolutely good." “When will this be out?

From here, it is a typeface that should be commemorated to me, which was the origin of the development of typefaces such as "Tsukushi Antique" and "Tsukushi Vintage".

Without this, I don't know what happened to Chikushi after that. From here, in the direction of squeezing

It was the first typeface that I thought, "I think Gothic will be more interesting tomorrow morning."

Masaki

It's was so. Certainly, I feel that

Fujita

I had thought that “the future of Chikushi will determine my destiny”, but it was also an adventure.

In the era when there are many bindings whose titles are designed in Patzpatz Gothic style in a square, there is a possibility that it will be "Is it only so small?" I write Gothic tomorrow morning and make it. For those who use it, "Uh" (laughs) "I'm doing something like the morning."

It's good when you dare to use that kind of thing, but when you want to get punch and punch like normal Gothic, it's kinda kind. There's something like "you can put women where you want men". Tsukushi Gothic.

Masaki

"Make kanji like hiragana" and "make gothic tomorrow". Why is Mr. Fujita said to be a heretic? The reason is that he is not a person who makes unusual characters, but he is making it with a new method.

Because Mr. Fujita made it, there is a feeling that I finally got to convey it, there are things that I can not convey without fonts. If you can feel it, going to a bookstore is more interesting, and reading books can be a lot of fun.

I think it's important that you don't have to remember the name of the typeface, and realize that "Ah, this is a


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